Todd starts this conversation by setting the ground rules and letting everyone know his preferred pronouns: he, him, and his. The bearded one also claims to have the definitive pronunciation of the author’s name of the book topic of today’s conversation. The Care of Souls by Harold Senkbeil explores the classical (biblical) model of pastoral ministry, as opposed to the contemporary models practiced by the church growth movement which tried to do away with the idea of the pastor as a shepherd. Why is this book such an important read not only for pastors, but for lay people as well? What are the different approaches to pastoral ministry? Can some of them be harmful to the pastor and/or to the congregation? What is The Care of Souls encouraging pastors to do? Listen in and find out! We’re happy to offer you the opportunity to win a free copy of The Care of Souls. Register!! The books are a generous gift from our friends at Lexham Press.